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Has it's good and bad - 4/10/2009
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Dave C
Texarkana, TX

The good: Beautiful scenery; outdoor activities galore; variety of weather; good schools; fairly low crime rate; nice people. Yes the summers are hot but the evenings are pleasant. Fall is gorgeous and pleasing; Winter is fun..for a while then you get burned-out on it by late January.
The bad: Horrid wages (Mormons are notorious cheapskates); horrendous house prices; cliquish Mormons - they tend to take themselves a bit too seriously and only hang with their owm - poor social skills; traffic has gotten crazy.

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William
Salt Lake City, UT

Air Quality - 1/23/2014

Beautiful city when the air is clear. Terrible pollution in the winter. State government will not act to improve air quality.

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Brianna
Sandy, UT

All That Glitters is NOT Gold - 3/14/2013

Salt Lake City and surrounding suburbs are "interesting" to live in. On the plus side: the scenery is beautiful, the health care is excellent, the climate has all four seasons (summers are hot and dry, not humid), the mountains block strong winds, the city is very clean, low crime, and there are great outdoor activities (skiing, hiking, fishing, etc.)and the people are VERY friendly, when you first arrive. On the bad side: the air quality/pollution is terrible in the winter (people that "never get sick" are also affected by it, with migraines, sinus headaches, sore throat, etc.) The cost of living is very high, not Cali high, but still very overpriced. The people who are VERY friendly, are usually Mormons. When you move into a new neighborhood, they will bring you baked goods, shovel your driveway, and offer to watch your kids, all for "free." They take these opportunities to try and convert you to become a Mormon. When they finally realize that you either have your own church/religion or that you just don't want to join their church, the acts of "kindness" stop. The funny part is that they only "work on you" for 6 months to a year; they give up too quickly. I've lived in places where other churches can keep working on you for over ten years. The bad part is that once they know that you won't join, all of the "friendliness" stops. You are no longer included in neighborhood BBQ's, and your kids stop getting birthday party invitations from the neighbor kids. (Even though we pretty much live like Mormons, we have actually been told by a Mormon Bishop, that our kids could no longer play with his kids, because we would not convert to Mormonism.) With the job market, it can be the same way. Mormons usually only hire other Mormons (no, you can't ask about religion at a job interview, but Mormon's will list their Bishop as a reference and list their LDS mission as experience, this and other ways are how they can tell). They also prefer light skinned people (unless you are fluent in Spanish). The good paying jobs usually go to very light skinned Mormons (they even discriminate within their own group). If you are anything but very white, you'd better be a doctor, or a research scientist if you want a job. There is a large LGBT population in the actual city, but many of them struggle to find a job with decent wages, even if they have a college degree, unless they go to great lengths to hide their orientation. All of my previous comments sound nasty, but that is MY experience. I am NOT speaking for everyone. Here's the funny thing, my best friend is a Mormon. For every 4 or 5 that aren't so nice, there is one that is an Angel and doesn't care about your religion and will not try to convert you. Not all Mormons are the same (of course). The only other issue is that there is no real separation of church and state here. While other kids get spring break in March, Utah's revolves around Easter. High School kids are allowed to leave campus during study hall and go across the street to a Mormon church for religious education. They claim that it's not a violation of church and state, because the Mormon church is not on school property. This happens during school, in the middle of the day. The LDS/Mormon church owns a very large amount of property/businesses here. If you are white, straight, and you are willing to convert, then this is the perfect place to live.

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Luke
West Jordan, UT

Mormons Suck!!! - 2/27/2013

Hello, my name is Luke, and I have to share some experiences I had living in Utah as a person. When I first came here, the first thing I noticed how much I hated Mormons, here are my top 5 reasons 1) Mormons are too nice and too accepting, they are always smiling and waving and being happy and friendly to everyone, they should be in a DR Suess Book!!! 2) Mormons donate time and money to non profit organizations and other humanitarian aids throughout the state, country, and world. Who do they think they are??? They think their soooo cool helping other people!!!! 3) Mormons live longer because they don't smoke, drink, do drugs, kill people, etc... Which means they will have longer healthier lives, are they trying to make us look bad????? 4) Mormons don't lie, steal, or cheat!! Which makes all of us who do look even worse!! And all of us who make money doing those things don't get accepted in society. 5) Mormons keep trying to tell me how happy they are and how their religion helps them and how I should read their book and come to church with them!!! Gosh, don't they know that i hate being happy?!?!!?! I am perfectly fine living in my pit of agony!!! That's why I hate Mormons, and that's why I hate Utah!!!

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Luke
West Jordan, UT

Mormons Suck!!! - 2/27/2013

Hello, my name is Luke, and I have to share some experiences I had living in Utah as a person. When I first came here, the first thing I noticed how much I hated Mormons, here are my top 5 reasons 1) Mormons are too nice and too accepting, they are always smiling and waving and being happy and friendly to everyone, they should be in a DR Suess Book!!! 2) Mormons donate time and money to non profit organizations and other humanitarian aids throughout the state, country, and world. Who do they think they are??? They think their soooo cool helping other people!!!! 3) Mormons live longer because they don't smoke, drink, do drugs, kill people, etc... Which means they will have longer healthier lives, are they trying to make us look bad????? 4) Mormons don't lie, steal, or cheat!! Which makes all of us who do look even worse!! And all of us who make money doing those things don't get accepted in society. 5) Mormons keep trying to tell me how happy they are and how their religion helps them and how I should read their book and come to church with them!!! Gosh, don't they know that i hate being happy?!?!!?! I am perfectly fine living in my pit of agony!!! That's why I hate Mormons, and that's why I hate Utah!!!

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Luke
West Jordan, UT

Mormons Mormons Mormons - 2/27/2013

Hello, my name is Luke, and I have to share some experiences I had living in Utah as a person. When I first came here, the first thing I noticed how much I hated Mormons, here are my top 5 reasons 1) Mormons are too nice and too accepting, they are always smiling and waving and being happy and friendly to everyone, they should be in a DR Suess Book!!! 2) Mormons donate time and money to non profit organizations and other humanitarian aids throughout the state, country, and world. Who do they think they are??? They think their soooo cool helping other people!!!! 3) Mormons live longer because they don't smoke, drink, do drugs, kill people, etc... Which means they will have longer healthier lives, are they trying to make us look bad????? 4) Mormons don't lie, steal, or cheat!! Which makes all of us who do look even worse!! And all of us who make money doing those things don't get accepted in society. 5) Mormons keep trying to tell me how happy they are and how their religion helps them and how I should read their book and come to church with them!!! Gosh, don't they know that i hate being happy?!?!!?! I am perfectly fine living in my pit of agony!!! That's why I hate Mormons, and that's why I hate Utah!!!

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Luke
West Jordan, UT

Mormons Mormons Mormons - 2/27/2013

Hello, my name is Luke, and I have to share some experiences I had living in Utah as a person. When I first came here, the first thing I noticed how much I hated Mormons, here are my top 5 reasons 1) Mormons are too nice and too accepting, they are always smiling and waving and being happy and friendly to everyone, they should be in a DR Suess Book!!! 2) Mormons donate time and money to non profit organizations and other humanitarian aids throughout the state, country, and world. Who do they think they are??? They think their soooo cool helping other people!!!! 3) Mormons live longer because they don't smoke, drink, do drugs, kill people, etc... Which means they will have longer healthier lives, are they trying to make us look bad????? 4) Mormons don't lie, steal, or cheat!! Which makes all of us who do look even worse!! And all of us who make money doing those things don't get accepted in society. 5) Mormons keep trying to tell me how happy they are and how their religion helps them and how I should read their book and come to church with them!!! Gosh, don't they know that i hate being happy?!?!!?! I am perfectly fine living in my pit of agony!!! That's why I hate Mormons, and that's why I hate Utah!!!

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Solissa
Salt Lake City, UT

Small business , bad environmental laws segregat - 2/20/2013

Being a small business owner here in Slc Sugar House to be exact , I'm here to tell u that since right after the holidays business has tanked , this has been the worst. 6 weeks since i opened in 2005 and being a new business naturally biz had no where to go but up since 2008 we have been on a steady decline but nothing like lately I have spoken with other small businesses from gas stations/convenient stores to other many types of retailers and they are struggling more than ever. some that have been open for over 20 years , So I don't know where u are getting your information from but we are in the fox holes feeling it first hand. Small business are the heartbeat of this country and the masses must be shopping at walmart , target and other big box corporate stores , so if that's where you get your statistics u need to address the real issues at hand. We will not be able to be in business for much longer unless the community start supporting local,, check out the buy local first website and it will open your eyes, you are comparing numbers that don't affect the mom and pop shops, Also Utah has some of the highest taxes in the nation , they tax food which is scandalous , property taxes are higher they are based on some arbitrary numbers not what you can get for your house but what the property tax access your house for its completely off base here , I had to pay property taxes on 335,000 when all I could sell it for was 230,00 where do they get off getting those numbers ? , the environmental laws here are so bad we have the worst air in the nation , when will they implement laws protecting this majestic state when we are wearing gas masks just to walkabout.Who are these people that come up with the statistics above , they have there heads in the sand , is it the LDS church trying to sell there state as being The best place to live so they can convert as many people as possible and control free enterprise and jobs for people who don't belong to the church, remember our constitution stated never ever should state and church be entwined, so while u uare trying to paint some fictitious picture keep in mind just a few issues that I have mentioned, there are plenty more problems here that need to be addressed, I had no idea when I moved here that this was such a segregated state , it's so difficult for young adults to fit in if they ate not part of the LDS church there is no middle ground , it's time to wake up and join the rest of the nation and start thinking about where we want this state wants to be in 5 years,I hope someone is listening because if u are not things will only get worse , I have watched the demise over several years. if the economy is so much better why doesn't anyone have any money? Or is it that the church only supports church run businesses that is very scary and goes against free enterprise. They might have settled here but it's time to stop controlling every aspect of things and let this city flourish for every person whether they are LDS OR NOT,

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Lew
Salt Lake City, UT

Worst air in the Country - 1/22/2013

Salt lake city today has the very worst air quality in the whole US. It earns that title way to often in my opinion. If you have this vision of a beautiful intermountain west city that you want to move to SLC is not it. It is a high crime,Lots of drugs and very dirty city with rude people. I have lived in alot of places but would have to rank this place the lowest I have lived in. Please Look at Denver, Boise , Spokane or many others as a much more honest and friendly place to live than here. Look up the Air Quality index in this Sterling report and compare it to any of the other places listed. The winter air quality here is terrible. I can not wait to move from this place.

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David
Salt Lake City, UT

Utah sucks!! - 9/28/2012

I've lived here since I was born. I was born lds. When growing up I realized how brainwashed the Mormons are. Now I don't even attend church. Salt Lake City is so bad. There are people here who are so prejudice and I'm talking about Mormons. It's really sad to see how they are. They are very in denial. I grew up with so many Mormons in. My life and boy you don't want to know the rest. They are fake. They act like they are too good and so on. Honest,y I have no comment. I'm so happy our family is moving soon. And I read some of the reviews and I must say most of it is true. Good luck for the new comers that's all ill say. I mean I know there's others states that are bad but bad is when religion takes over the state. I mean come on they built a new mall here which is called "city creek" and it has rules no way this is too much. People who love utah will hate this comment but they need to open there eyes more

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Daleelad
Houston, TX

My objective view - It's not for everyone - 9/19/2012

I have lived in SLC and many other places, so I feel I can be objective here: First it's a beautiful city. It is surrounded by picturesque mountain ranges. There are really very few "ugly" areas. Most neighborhoods have some charm. The weather is definite four seasons. Winter is cold but seldom severe. Summer gets hot but the dryness really helps. The evenings are cool. Spring is the most unpredictable. Cold and rainy for a few days, then gorgeous and warm for a few days, then repeated this pattern until summer hits. (Of course I've seen springs where it won't stop raining or springs where it's sunny every day from April on). Fall is exquisite. Beautiful colors and temperatures. If you love the great outdoors, you will LOVE it here! Fishing, hiking, snow-skiing, water-skiing, golf, walking, bicycling. It's ALL here. If you are not an outdoorsy person you may get bored (especially in winter if you don't ski). The Economy: it seems to be VERY cyclical here. The pay is very low (they're tightwads) and good professional jobs are not very plentiful. Hourly service jobs pay pretty low. The cost of housing is very high considering the poor wages. Renting, in my opinion, has always been fairly reasonable. Crime: Not bad overall for such a large city, but it's gotten worse... in the northwest quadrant of the valley mostly. There are gangs in that area. The people: I think the people are really pretty very friendly overall (compared to say...Phoenix and other cities). However, the Mormons don't really want to associate with non-members. Most of their friendliness I find to be superficial and/or forced. They know how to act around each other but not around strangers (Non-LDS). They are just so engrossed in their church life. I personally don't care for most Mormons but I have worked for some and have been neighbors with some who don't discriminate. If you are not a church member you can make friends with other non-LDS pretty easily if you just put yourself out there. Go to a different church or join a club or organization (PTA, Masons, Elks, bowling league, fishing club, coffee groups)...Once you start meeting nice people in SLC they introduce you to their friends and your social life will blossom. Kids: I do think it's a good place to raise kids but the Mormon kids can be cliquish. As I explained earlier non-Mormon kids need to get out and find other kids of their ilk. Culture etc.: This a good community for arts, entertainment and food. Good dance company, symphony, public radio and arts festivals. For young people there is some good night-life. The University of Utah provides a lot of culture. The actual part of the valley that comprises Salt Lake City proper is actually fairly liberal. The suburbs are the conservative parts. Education: Top notch in my books. Good schools and University. Mormons value education. In conclusion: if the dominant Mormon culture is a deal-breaker for you then don't aggravate yourself by moving here. That being said, they DO care about their community and it shows. But they do make the rules.

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William
Salt Lake City, UT

Quality of Law Enforcement - 9/15/2012

With over 45 years in and around Law Enforcement, local, county, state and federal nationwide, and I find it deplorable that a city as large as Salt Lake City has such an inferior Police Department. Their officers are ill trained, poorly informed and very unprofessional. I have personally never had any personal contact with these officers but have dealt with them many times in the course of conducting investigations. Having represented a fortune 500 company nationally, and internationally, I've had an opportunity to evaluate Law Enforcement throughout the United States and in several foreign countries. I'd say that the Salt Lake Police Department at best rates in the lower 10% of agencies when it comes to ability, integrity and commitment. It may be in part to attributable to the very liberal city governance and the city's lack of citizen concern and obsession with revenue. In reality I believe it to be a result of successive inferior police administrations leading to today's chief. If planning on moving to Utah, for either personal or business reasons, you'd be wise to select a community, other than Salt Lake City, where you can depend on Law Enforcement to protect your family, employees and business. No sour grapes here, just a genuine concern that newcomers have an honest view of what to expect in Salt Lake City. Other cities to avoid in Salt Lake County are West Valley City and Draper.

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Amy
Salt Lake City, UT

diversity - 6/27/2012

In salt lake I have been able to experience a wide variety of weather, recreation and cultures. It is a pretty peaceful, calm community.

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Jairo
Houston, TX

People - 6/12/2012

is there a discrimination for hispanic people in Salt Lake City?

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Sharon
Salt Lake City, UT

Education - 2/10/2012

Ok

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Dave
Riverside, CA

Living in SLC UT - 2/5/2012

I read alot of the pros and cons about living in Salt Lake, and most people say they don't like it there. Will i loved it there, i grew up there. You want to live in a place that the people are a bunch of ass-----.Try living in califroina. IT DON'T Matter what part of cal. you live in the people are rude inconsiderit. The state has high difficiet buget and the taxes are high.Isee people from Utah moving to cal why?.so dont put down SLC. It is better then alot of places i have lived.I wished i could go back home[yes i called it HOME]As soon as i retire GOODby to cal it SUCKS

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Bill
Salt Lake City, UT

after 17 years looking forward to leaving - 12/20/2011

We moved here in '94 for a job at the Univ. of Utah, which was great. Living here however has been a real contrast of pros vs. cons. Now that retirement is near we are planning to move, even though there are aspects of life here that are uniquely attractive. pros: most of the amenities of a real city (culture, arts, food, etc.) within minutes of the spectacular Wasatch mtns. Skiing, hiking, biking, camping etc. are amazing. So. Utah Nat'l parks are fairly close as well. Climate is moderate except for the winter, which while not exactly extreme, consists of three to four months of nothing much to do outside unless you participate in winter sports. cons: there is a robust counter-culture centered around downtown Salt Lake, and in Park City, but the rest of the state is controlled by, as it is phrased here, the "dominant culture". Extremely conservative religiosity is the rule. You are a long way from anything different, as well. The feeling of living on an island with these people can begin to get you down (unless you are one of them - however, be warned! Salt Lake mormons consider themselves a cut above others, and I have heard of LDS families returning to California because they weren't accepted here!). However, as I said, you can largely avoid this by focussing on downtown SL, or Park City, if you can afford it. The extent to which you have to interact with this culture, and the potential difficulties entailed, has a lot to do with your work, and whether or not you are raising a family. The one thing you cannot avoid, if you live and work in the Salt Lake Valley, is the air quality. It is absolutely abysmal, especially in the winter, and it is the main reason we are planning to leave. I fail to understand how Sperling rated SLC #5 in healthiest cities when it scores a 10 on a scale of 100 for air quality. Health care here IS excellent, and you may well need it. I, and many others I know of, have developed respiratory problems while living here long-term, so draw your own conclusions. I would actually probably stay in Utah, if Park City weren't so pricey. The air quality there is fine, and although the winter is much longer than here in the valley, at least people up there are open-minded, and the summer is fantastic. Unfortunately, as of this writing, $350K gets you a so-so condo, which isn't reasonable in my book. The rest of the state? There are some really pretty rural areas - leave them for visiting, unless you know you'll fit in.

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Kramer
Salt Lake City, UT

Policies - 11/22/2011

SLC is strict in what aspect?

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Kramer
Salt Lake City, UT

Religion - 11/22/2011

I would like to know more about mormon and how do they treat non mormom peaole there? I can see a lot of negative comments about this religion from people who are lived and currently living there. Does it changed from the past? Or they stick to how they are raised? How do they treat Different gender? (Specifically Gay/Lesbian). hoping for your reply. Thanks a lot!

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diksha
Salt Lake City, UT

Religion - 6/14/2011

Hi I am an international student from India and I am buddhist by religion. I have read a lot of strict mormon culture in Utah. I would like to know if I will have to face any discrimination or cold attitude?? Thanks

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Pdfsmail
Winter Haven, FL

Bleh... Some good, too much bad... - 4/8/2011

I have lived in many places around the country and compared to the majority of the USA I find Salt Lake to be too strict and often gives you the cold shoulder... especially if you are not mormon or willing to convert to one... Pros: +Good skiing +Lots of outdoors stuff.. mtns, hiking/backpacking, camping etc +good transit system Cons: -The issue with the LDS church is not a joke -hard to fit in or make friends that will stay friends -Strict laws (esp alcohol which is metered, and lower alcohol percentage) -Separation of church and state seems non existent. -Even though the weather is not extreme, it stays cold way too long, even compared to the northeast, and weather is not predictable (I do not trust the weather forcasters past a day or 2). -People here cant drive -pollution (inversions often make a depressing, cloudy day in winter) -I have found that even when finding a job the church plays a role... its harder to get a job if your not LDS -People in general have an odd demeanor here (that is when they are not giving u a cold shoulder) I feel the front range of Colorado is a much better choice.

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