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"Portland - not what it use to be"


Portland - not what it use to be - 3/7/2010
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Michael
Houston, TX

As someone who was born and raised in Portland, and lived there for over 50 years, the city has (in my opinion) gone downhill. I lived through the recessions of the 80's, 90's, early 2000. Finally the recession of 2009 got me and my wife and we moved out, we moved away, far, far away to where the nonsense of Portland and Oregon can no longer touch us.

Portland instituted an 'urban growth boundary' which, like most government ideas has plus sides and a ton of minus sides. The idea was to curb sprawl and encourage responsible city growth; sounds like a good idea. The problem is that it immediately made build able land scarce; and when something is scarce, the price goes up ... in the case of Portland WAY UP. I presently live in Houston (told you I moved way away) a 1500 sq ft home down here can run $100K, that same home in Portland runs anywhere from $200K to $300K depending on the location. The overall affect is that you better be making a six figure income (or close to it) to be able to afford a home. Oh, and yes, Oregon does not have a sales tax so they make it up in property tax. You know that $250K home that we talked about earlier? Be prepared to pay $4K or more for yearly property taxes.

The job market presently sucks in Oregon and especially in Portland. I still have friends hanging on by the skin of their teeth, meanwhile I'm in Houston, making $3.00 an hour more than what I was making in Portland, with steady hours, better benefits at less cost to me and no state income tax. Oh yeah, did anyone mention that since they have no sales tax they make up for it by having a state income tax - a relatively high state income tax.

The mass transit system that some writers have talked about. The businesses pay through the nose for that; I know I ran a small part time business for a while. Basically, if you are in business and making ANY money at all, it makes no difference how close or how far the nearest train station or bus stop is from your business, you will pay a tax for the transit system. The light rail trains are dirty, they are populated with wanna-be thugs; it's just miserable. Oh, and Portland HATES cars. They make it very difficult to get around the city, even into the city with a car. The roads are crowded (due to the DOT refusal to make freeways with more than 3 lanes), traffic is slow and the acclaimed mass transit (light rail crossings and the painfully slow streetcars) slows down traffic even more.

Climate - yes, much of the climate avoids the huge extremes. You will get up to a couple months (usually not totally contiguous) of freezing weather, with or without snow. In the summer, July and especially August will be 90's and 100's, but by September it's getting better. However, starting in October you will endure day after day of gray skies, you will put up with months of never seeing blue skies. And it seemingly rains forever during the fall and winter, wake up to a drizzle, go to bed with a drizzle and it's a cold drizzle.

Texas has some down sides, but it's not the nanny state that Oregon has become. Portland is tolerant, if and only if you agree with their liberal politics and it's off the scale liberal.

Oregon was my home, it use to be nice place. Now, I do love Texas and all it has to offer. In many ways the people here remind me of how Oregon use to be - however that is now the key phrase, use-to-be.

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Keith

re: Portland - not what it use to be - 3/7/2010 - 5/11/2010
As somebody who has lived in the Bible Belt most of my life, always in the midst of endless parking lots, fast food outlets, strip malls and subdivisions, I find Portland very attractive. To me, cities like Houston are featureless disasters of civic planning without a real center, and the dystopias of the future. The economy may be vibrant, but it comes at a price - a price I'm no longer willing to pay. I understand the point about the political monoculture of Portland. The hipster factor is irritating too. But I'll take it over living in a state where established science is considered radical, and where the legislature spends its time - and my tax dollars - passing laws to allow guns in bars and protect children from the evils of forced microchipping. Finally, I rode the light rail in Portland extensively and found it to be excellent.


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Keith

re: Portland - not what it use to be - 3/7/2010 - 5/11/2010
As somebody who has lived in the Bible Belt most of my life, always in the midst of endless parking lots, fast food outlets, strip malls and subdivisions, I find Portland very attractive. To me, cities like Houston are featureless disasters of civic planning without a real center, and the dystopias of the future. The economy may be vibrant, but it comes at a price - a price I'm no longer willing to pay. I understand the point about the political monoculture of Portland. The hipster factor is irritating too. But I'll take it over living in a state where established science is considered radical, and where the legislature spends its time - and my tax dollars - passing laws to allow guns in bars and protect children from the evils of forced microchipping. Finally, I rode the light rail in Portland extensively and found it to be excellent.


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Mars

re: Portland - not what it use to be - 3/7/2010 - 9/4/2011
You complain about Portland having property taxes? Are you freakin' kidding me ?!? Houston, and Texas in general, has MUCH higher property taxes. When my family and I moved there when I was little, I recalled my parents complaining so much about the property taxes in Houston. Also, wake up! $300K is the average house price in all of America. This isn't the Philippines. Houston's homes, yes you get bigger houses for less, BUT the houses are much less quality. The wood siding of my house was made of cheap plywood, the windows in the house were formatted by Colorado standards, and thus would expand and contract due to the heat. At least in Oregon they build quality housing. The other reason is Houston is not as desirable. Maybe I'm weird, but I'd prefer to suffer a little to live in a nice place than be in such a boring place where it's piss easy to make a living.


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